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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 05:16:28 PM »
Anyone have any news on ACTA? I heard they were going to vote today on it (not sure which government), so I'd like to know.
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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2012, 02:47:24 AM »
SOPA and PIPA are pointless. What's the true reason for this bill, to stop piracy? Don't they already have that power? Why do you need more then one bill about the same thing?

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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2012, 07:53:46 PM »
Yes, there is already a law on the books in the US to combat online piracy.  It's the digital millennium copyright act, and it works as well as any legislation would; if someone files a copyright claim, say, on youtube, and it's rightful, said video is taken offline.  Same with music.  Books.  Film.  Any media in the US.  That's why Megaupload was able to be shut down (the timing, though, was stellar -_-)

Problem is, piracy will still happen.  Even if SOPA and PIPA weren't tabled and were passed in full and youtube, wikipedia, reddit, etc. were taken down, piracy would still be a thing.  Because it's easy to copy and download files.  It's like gun control laws: congress can pass all the legislation it wants to prohibit the lawful buying of firearms with the idea that it'll reduce crime....  But come on, people who are going to commit violent crimes with guns are probably going to get them some other way.

To answer your question, koh, we don't need multiple federal laws stating the same thing, because that's redundant.

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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2012, 08:42:08 PM »
Also keep in mind the many SOPA and PIPA supporters. Even if SOPA and PIPA don't go through, it won't stop it from re-appearing under new names and/or as part of other bills to try and push it through along with something that's more popular. It's not unheard of for politicians to do those things after waiting for the masses to cool off about it.

Do I need to remind anyone about what happened on your side of the border in 2006?

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Mark Mitchell isn't always a fan of little-watched federal legislation, but a small provision in a bill about port security might make him a happy man indeed.

Legislation that would make it a crime to use credit cards or online payment systems for Internet betting was passed by the House Friday and by the Senate early Saturday. As a result, several online gambling companies said Monday that they planned to stop doing business with customers in the United States, by far the largest market for Internet gambling.

The measure, which President Bush is expected to sign, seeks to bar online gambling companies from operating legally in the United States, perhaps forcing some companies out of business.

The provision was added to an unrelated bill on port security and passed in the rush to complete business before a congressional recess in advance of the Nov. 7 elections.

Susan Arland, spokeswoman for the Washington Gambling Commission, said the casino regulators welcome anything that will curb immensely popular Internet gambling, such as poker and blackjack. Free poker sites with no money at stake remain legal.

"It would definitely strengthen the federal law, and it would support enforcement efforts here," she said.  CYCLONE'S NOTE: Enforcement of WHAT?  Violation of free will?

In June, state lawmakers approved legislation banning Internet gambling by clarifying that any form of gambling must meet specific state approval under a 1973 law.

Mitchell said he is astounded by the popularity of online sites. He estimated that 80 percent of the poker players who walk through the doors of his Aurora Avenue casinos play the game for money online as well.

"If they couldn't play online, it would pick up business here," he said.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/Online-gaming-ban-could-mean-a-full-house-for-1216180.php

And that, baby, is from October of 2006.  I love the Internet.  And someone from Las Vegas paid them in secret to pass this bill.  I personally guarantee it.

But it shows that they will do anything to pass a bill.  I'd bet money SOPA provisions will find their way into a must-pass bill and presto, you have regulation destroying privacy.  If anyone else did this, it would be illegal.  If another country did this, the U.S. would not do business with them.  In the U.S. government, no one gives a shyt.  And they claim immunity from everything.

For the record, the person who put the gambling ban into the port security bill?  Not re-elected.  He's retired comfortably somewhere on millions of dollars.  Again, I personally guarantee it.

Now, since I'm Canadian, I'm heading to Pokerstars to play a FiftyFifty game there.  I've been making some money in those.  Great fun.

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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2012, 08:32:49 AM »
Uggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh....

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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2012, 12:29:19 PM »
Of course they're going to try to pass similar legislation here.  Piracy, while it certainty won't destroy the entertainment industry, does need to be curbed.  However, nothing will be as wide reaching as sopa and pipa were poised to be.  It's political suicide and congress knows it.  Anything that passes will be little more than a copy of the already-on-the-books DMCA.  It's going to be pointless legislation that exists only as a way  to say "we don't like piracy."

though, because it bears repeating, if people don't like the idea of losing the current internet, quit bitching and "fighting back" when piracy  hubs are legitimately shut down.  or, stop downloading software illegally.  problem solved.

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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2012, 01:48:23 PM »
Like Stungun said (as my example at the beginning of this thread), companies need to "out-perform" the pirates. And then a lot of people would stop pirating--at least, in theory, they would. Only the real pirates who truly do not want to pay for anything would remain.

But I will admit that the above theory/possible solution, would be hard to implement because of the attitudes of current corporations. :/

Edit: NOT AGAIN. http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/06/democrats-to-continue-internet-coup-with-new-cyber-bill/
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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2012, 05:04:25 PM »
Also keep in mind the many SOPA and PIPA supporters. Even if SOPA and PIPA don't go through, it won't stop it from re-appearing under new names and/or as part of other bills to try and push it through along with something that's more popular. It's not unheard of for politicians to do those things after waiting for the masses to cool off about it.

(That was actually GW a couple of posts down...)

We have the DMCA now, but I support it being repealed. It used to be that you threatened a lawsuit for copyright infringement; with DMCA in place, the offending content must be remove if it is accused of being infringing, and it is up to the original poster to prove that it is not copyright infringement. First of all, this obviously violates presumption of innocence; second, it's been abused in multiple instances. Much like the SLAPP problems that arose before, false DMCA takedown notices are often used to silence critics.

(Of course, while Universal Music Group abuses DMCA, they also have a contract with Youtube that allows them to force the removal of any video, even if it's not violating their copyrights.)
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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2012, 10:38:50 PM »
Why are they trying to control the Internet?  This is beyond ridiculous.  We could have a major system-wide power failure tomorrow and the Internet will be the least of our worries.  The well-being of people themselves is more important.

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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2012, 08:27:47 AM »
I totally agree, Cyclone! It seems like they want to pass bills that hurt our well-being these days. D:

Edit: Good news about ACTA, I got an email from Access about it:
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What started as a few scattered demonstrations against ACTA has exploded into an international day of action this Saturday! There are nearly 200 events across the world, with hundreds of thousands of people expected to hit the streets to protest this dangerous international agreement.

Our feet have not yet hit the pavement, but our voices are already being heard! Facing a groundswell of opposition to ACTA, the Czech Republic, Poland and Slovenia are already wavering on ratification and the European Parliament’s point person for ACTA resigned his post in protest.
(I added the italics to emphasize the really important stuff. The bold was originally in the email.)

So, we haven't won yet, but we're making progress against ACTA.
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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2012, 09:04:40 PM »
Wow, this person is severely misinformed: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/opinion/what-wikipedia-wont-tell-you.html?_r=1

Written by the chief executive of the RIAA. I thought I would get a big laugh out of it, but reading it just made me hate them more instead.

Speaking of ACTA and others, the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement is also being negotiated in secrete and since intellectual property rights are also on the table for it, it might need some attention: https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8229
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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2012, 09:50:55 AM »
I noticed. They all need to: go away, die in a fire, and their mom.
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Re: And you thought SOPA and PIPA were bad...
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2012, 10:43:31 PM »
I'll put it quite frankly.

When the chief executive of the RIAA writes a piece about SOPA and PIPA - legislation designed to protect groups like the RIAA - you can bet it's going to be pretty one-sided.  I do agree, piracy is a problem online.  But the question was asked by this, uh, creature: "Was it SOPA they were opposed to, or censorship?" - and my answer is "censorship created by SOPA".  Simple enough.

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